Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.
What I am after is how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.
Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.
fiona_VT said:Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.
CRP reduction on cardiovascular risk — this is the lab result that excites me most:
Baseline hsCRP: 7.0 mg/L (high cardiovascular risk)
Month 6 hsCRP: 3.5 mg/L (moderate risk)
Month 12 hsCRP: 0.6 mg/L (low risk)
This level of inflammatory marker reduction is comparable to what you'd see with statin therapy. Combined with the weight loss, my 10-year ASCVD risk score dropped from 14% to 6%. My cardiologist is genuinely impressed.
COA_Karl said:CRP reduction on cardiovascular risk — this is the lab result that excites me most: Baseline hsCRP: 7.0 mg/L (high cardiovascular risk) Month 6 hsCRP:…
COA_Karl said:...we don't know the long-term effects of cardiovascular risk...
This is a fair point, and I think intellectual honesty requires acknowledging it. GLP-1 agonists in their current form have ~8-10 years of human exposure data. That's not nothing, but it's not 30+ years either.
However: the risk-benefit calculation should also consider the KNOWN long-term effects of untreated obesity — diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, joint destruction, reduced lifespan by 5-10 years.
Uncertainty about GLP-1 long-term safety vs certainty about obesity consequences. The calculus seems clear to me, but reasonable people can disagree.
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Browse GL Biochemfiona_VT said:Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.
Can confirm. Same sequence, different timescale. The detail I would add is minor and it is already implied above.
From the other side of the consultation, briefly.
Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of GLP-1 agonists and cardiovascular risk: beyond weight loss, GLP-1R activation directly suppresses NF-κB signaling, reduces NLRP3 inflammasome activation, and decreases monocyte/macrophage adhesion to endothelium[1].
Clinical correlates: hsCRP reduction of 30-60% (consistently seen across trials), reduced carotid intima-media thickness, and decreased coronary plaque inflammation on PET imaging.
These anti-inflammatory effects likely contribute to the cardiovascular benefit seen in SELECT — and may explain benefits beyond what weight loss alone would predict.
[1] Hogan AE, et al. Diabetologia. 2014;57(4):781-784.